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Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Review

Reviewed in detail, the 20 megapixel Panasonic Lumix GX8 with 4K video and built in image stabilisation.

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The Panasonic Lumix GX8 is the first dual Image Stabilisation CSC camera from Panasonic and features a new 20.3 megapixel Micro Four Thirds sensor with sensor-shift image stabilisation. The sensor shift is designed to work in combination with optical image stabilisation built into Panasonic lenses for improved image stabilisation. The camera records 4K video and photos, features a tilting high-resolution electronic viewfinder, a vari-angle touch screen, and 8fps continuous shooting at full resolution. The Panasonic Lumix GX8 will be available at the end of August priced at £999 body only. 

Panasonic Lumix GX8 Features

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The Panasonic Lumix GX8 updates the GX7, which will remain on the market. The GX8 is said to give a 15% improvement in detail, and in Image Quality, with improved dynamic range, along with an improved noise to signal ratio, thanks to the use of a new 20.3 megapixel Micro Four Thirds sensor which is used in combination with the latest Panasonic Venus image processing engine. The GX8 also offers in-camera raw processing, highlight-shadow control, clear retouch, filters, plus an updated panoramic mode giving an option of a wider view. 

The Dual Image Stabilisation system is a 4-axis in-body sensor shift system, which works in conjunction with the optical image stabilisation in Panasonic lenses, which feature a 2-axis system. In video mode, the camera uses a Hybrid image stabilisation system to give 5-axis image stabilisation for FullHD video, but not 4K video. The dual image stabilisation system is said to give comparable image stabilisation performance to Olympus' 5-axis image stabilisation system found in the Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II

A new exposure compensation dial has been added underneath the mode dial. You can customise the front and rear controls, and there is a function button to alter the way the dials operate. The camera will shoot at 8fps in continuous shooting mode with fixed AF or 6fps with continuous AF. There is also a 2.5mm mic socket on the side of the camera, which is now weather-sealed. 

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4K Photo features: Using the 4K video technology, as featured on the Panasonic Lumix G7, there are various modes to extract 8 megapixel still images, with the option of 3:2, 1:1, 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratios, these are: 

  • 4K Burst Shooting - allows up to 29 minutes and 59 seconds of continuous shooting at 30fps
  • 4K Burst (Start/Stop) - starts continuous shooting with the press of the shutter button and stops with the second press - suitable for shooting opportunities that require a longer waiting time (up to 29min 59 seconds)
  • 4K Pre-burst - records 30 frames the second before and after the shutter is pressed giving you 60 chances to capture the perfect moment.

You can save 4K photos straight from the camera, without having to process the video files on your computer. Lightroom can also be used to select frames from the video. 4K video is useful as it can also be used to create 1080p video, to either crop for a 200% view, digitally stabilised or reframed, amongst other things. 

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Panasonic Lumix GX8 Key Features:

  • 20.3mp Micro Four Thirds sensor – highest picture quality in Lumix G - 
  • Dual IS system – 4-axis in body and lens (2-axis) stabilisation working together (for first time) – works in both video and stills (video sensor electronic stabilisation plus lens)
  • 2360k dot OLED LVF (EVF) Tiltable, 0.77x magnification, high optical quality 
  • 3inch vari-angle monitor 1040k OLED (vari-angle), touch screen 
  • Splash / dust proof mag alloy body
  • 4K photo (8mp, 30fps) / 4K video (3840x2160, 25fpsUHD)
  • Time-lapse video recording
  • 8fps continuous shooting / 6fps with AFC
  • ISO100 – ISO25600
  • Wi-Fi / NFC / QR code 
  • USB tethering
  • 340 shot battery life

Panasonic Lumix GX8 Handling

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The Panasonic Lumix GX8 is noticeably larger than the GX7 it updates, with a larger electronic viewfinder (EVF), that has a high resolution and looks extremely large and clear when in use. The EVF has an eye detection sensor so that it will automatically switch on and off when held up to the eye, and the EVF is a tilting unit, that can tilt upwards 90 degrees. 

There are front and rear control dials to change aperture and shutter speed when in the correct mode. However, it's also possible to customise these so that you can change the function. Pressing the middle button in the rear dial will also let you change the function of the dial to something else. The camera has updated shutter speeds, with 60 to 1/8000s available with the mechanical shutter and 1/16000s available with an electronic shutter. The camera also has a bulb mode that can take photos with an exposure up to 30 minutes long!

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There are a number of intelligent auto modes built in, along with several function buttons that can be customised. There is also a new function button that defaults to aperture preview at the front of the camera, that can easily be pressed when holding the camera. On top is a new exposure compensation dial that makes it easy to dial in exposure compensation when needed, giving the camera more external controls. 

There is no longer a built-in pop-up flash, and a flash is not provided in the box with the camera. The camera feels extremely well built with a magnesium alloy body, and the metal dials feel re-assuringly solid. The camera includes diffraction compensation in order to improve image quality when shooting at smaller apertures. The focus points cover a large area of the screen and can be manually selected. You can use the touch screen to set the focus position while the camera's electronic viewfinder (EVF) is held up to your eye, although this can also mean that you accidentally set the focus point with your nose. Luckily this feature can be switched off if necessary.

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The screen on the back is a 'vari-angle' touch-screen which can be used to set the focus point, as well as other on-screen options. The screen is bright and clear. When using the screen the display is slightly brighter than it should be, when compared to the electronic viewfinder (EVF), or when viewing images later on the computer. The brightness, contrast and saturation of the screen can be adjusted, which will help ensure you are seeing what you should be seeing when taking photos, which is particularly useful if you are using the screen to gauge correct exposure. Screen brightness can be set to automatic so that the camera will automatically increase the brightness when using the camera outside.

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Panasonic Lumix GX8 Function Buttons (Default settings)

Menus – There are multiple menu options and settings, spread over several screens, with the camera displaying hints and tips for each option making it easier to use without having to refer to the manual. The custom function buttons view, shown above, is where you can customise the operation of the camera, with a large number of buttons customisable, although the lack of labels on the physical buttons will make you want to refer to this screen just to check which function does what.

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Main menu of Image app Remote shooting Playback

Built-in Wi-Fi allows you to remote control the camera, as well as transfer images to a smartphone or tablet. Built in NFC makes it easy to setup a connection to a compatible device. Jump mode uses your smartphone's motion sensor to detect when you have jumped and is designed to get a photo of you in mid-air. You can also use the app to add GPS data to your photos.

Battery life - Battery life is rated at 340 shots when using the screen, with reduced battery life when using the EVF. The camera uses the same battery as the Panasonic Lumix G7 (and G6), and the battery and memory card compartments are underneath the camera. Extended use of the 4K pre-burst mode is likely to reduce battery life due to the camera continuously recording photos. 

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Speed - We took a number of shots to test the camera's responsiveness, from switch on to first photo, shot to shot, focusing speed etc. We take a number of shots and then use the average to ensure accurate and consistent tests, making it easy to compare with other cameras.

Shutter Response <0.05secs
Wide - Focus / Shutter Response 0.1secs
Full zoom - Focus / Shutter Response 0.125secs
Switch on Time to Taking a Photo 0.8secs
Shot to Shot without Flash 0.35secs
Shot to Shot with Flash N/A
Continuous Shooting - JPEG
(shots before slow down)
8fps (140 shots*)
Continuous Shooting - Flash N/A
Continuous Shooting - RAW 8fps (35 shots*)


Focus is incredibly quick, as is shutter response, when using the Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 lens. Continuous shooting is available with continuous AF tracking at 6fps and we managed this in our tests. * Using a high speed SD card, a Panasonic SDXC Class 10, U:3 with R:95/W:90MB/s.

 

Panasonic Lumix GX8 Performance

The performance section is where we look at the image quality performance of the camera. Additional sample photos and product shots are available in the Equipment Database, where you can add your own review, photos and product ratings.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Sample Photos

Sample Photos - Photos are generally well exposed with bright saturated colours and are biased towards a warm result with good levels of detail particularly when shooting in bright sunny conditions. The camera's metering system is likely to under-expose an image rather than produce an image with blown highlights. Shadow areas occasionally show signs of noise when viewed at 100%. The HDR mode takes a number of photos at different exposures and combines them in-camera into one photo. This produces good results with expanded dynamic range, and can be used handheld. 

 

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Lens test images

Lens Performance - The camera automatically corrects for lens distortion, as well a purple fringing, and as a result there were hardly any issues with purple fringing or distortion visible. The 12-35mm f/2.8 lens is prone to lens flare when shooting with a bright light source such as the sun in the frame, although the majority of the time this wasn't an issue as the provided lens hood gives additional protection. There are options for vignetting / shading compensation in camera, as well as diffraction correction in camera.

It's not possible to switch off the in-camera sensor based image stabilisation system. We used the Panasonic Lumix 12-35mm f/2.8 lens to test the image stabilisation, at 35mm, 70mm equivalent.  

  • IS Off completely (GX7*) - slowest shutter speed - 1/25s most shots sharp.
  • Lens based IS (GX7*) - slowest shutter speed - 1/20s
  • Sensor only (GX8) - slowest shutter speed 1/20s most sharp
  • Sensor and lens combo (GX8) - slowest shutter speed - 1/15s
  • Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II - slowest shutter speed - 1/8s

*With a Panasonic lens that features OIS mounted to the GX7 and optical image stabilisation switched off, it's not possible to use the in camera sensor shift image stabilisation. 

 

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 ISO test images

ISO Noise Performance - For the lowest noise and best detail possible we would recommend using ISO100 to ISO1600, as images have low levels of noise and good levels of detail. For lower light situations ISO3200 to ISO6400 still provides good results, although noise increases and detail is reduced. At ISO12800 noise levels become strong and we would recommend avoiding this setting if possible, although results may still be useful if resized and used on the web. ISO25600 is best avoided as noise is high, and detail is low.

Noise performance is better at ISO6400 with the GX8 when compared to the Panasonic Lumix G7, despite the increase in megapixels, however it would have been good if the camera was capable of keeping a little more detail in images at ISO3200 and above with cameras like the E-M5 Mark II and X-T10 offering slightly better detail retention. At the lowest ISO setting of ISO100 (extended) dynamic range is lower, and by default the camera shoots at ISO200.

 

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 White-balance test images

White Balance Performance - Auto White Balance (AWB) performs gives a warm colour cast under tungsten lighting, with the tungsten preset giving a more accurate result, although it is still quite warm, and for better results custom white balance is recommended. AWB performs reasonably well under fluorescent lights, with a slightly warm result, and again, for better results custom white balance is recommended. Images are occasionally slightly under exposed on default settings, although often appear correct on the (bright) screen of the camera. This is easily corrected using exposure compensation. 

 

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Digital filters

Digital Filters - Creative effects let you apply a number of digital filters to the images, and you can shoot JPEG and raw so that you can go back to the original if you want to. There is also an option to save the original, unedited JPEG image as well. There are several preset colour modes, these can be customised letting you alter the contrast, sharpness, noise reduction, and saturation levels. The monochrome colour option lets you choose a black and white filter.

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Panoramic | 1/640 sec | f/5.6 | 12.0 mm | ISO 200

Panorama mode - The camera features an automatic panoramic mode (120°/360°), where you simply press the shutter release button and pan the camera from one side to the other. Results are very good, and well stitched together, with a high-resolution image produced.

Video - Video quality is very good, with lens based optical image stabilisation helping keep the video steady, even when recording hand-held, as shown in the video below, however for the best results a tripod is recommended. Sensor based image stabilisation isn't available while recording videos, however electronic image stabilisation is an option when recording FullHD video, but not 4K video. 

There are Snap Movie options, filter settings, highlight shadow options, diffraction compensation, luminous level settings, mic level adjustment display (four levels), and wind noise cancellation options, meaning there are slightly fewer options available when compared to the G7. 

4K / UHD video options include: MP4: 3820x2160, 25p or 24p, 100Mbps, AAC. Full HD 1080p video options include AVCHD or MP4 compression, with the camera offering AVCHD: 50p, 28Mbps / 25p, 24Mbps / 24p, 24Mbps, MP4: 50p, 28Mbps, AAC / 25p, 20Mbps, AAC and there are lower resolution options including 720p (at 25p), and VGA (at 25p). Additional sample videos can be found on the ePHOTOzine YouTube channel.

 
 

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Value for Money

The Panasonic Lumix GX8 is available for £999 body only, which is an increase over the RRP of the GX7 (£819 body only RRP), although this puts it at a lower price point than the Panasonic Lumix GH4, which offers Cinema quality 4K video recording. Alternatives to look at include the following cameras: 

Panasonic Lumix G7, 16mp, 8fps, 4K video, not weather-resistant, £599 body only
Panasonic Lumix GH4, 16mp, 12fps, 4K video, weather-resistant, £1049 body only
Samsung NX1, 28mp, 15fps, 4K video, weather resistant, £1249 body only
Fujifilm X-T1, 16mp, 8fps, FullHD video, weather-resistant, £879 body only
Olympus OM-D E-M5 II, 16mp, 10fps, FullHD video, weather-resistant, £869 body only

You'll also need to buy a memory card and a case or bag to keep your camera safe and protected - have a look at our complete guide to camera bags.

Panasonic Lumix GX8 Verdict

The Panasonic Lumix GX8 improves on the GX7 noticeably, with the inclusion of 4K video recording and 4K photo features, as well as a larger electronic viewfinder, improved vari-angle touch-screen, plus more. The GX8 features weather-sealing which makes it more competitive with alternatives on the market, and the camera offers additional shooting controls and options, along with RAW processing in-camera. The Dual Image Stabilisation system along with the new 20.3 megapixel sensor is an interesting development, as the GX8 now offers the highest resolution sensor available in a Micro Four Thirds camera. The camera is introduced at a relatively high price, and is noticeably larger than the predecessor, the GX7, along with other Micro Four Thirds cameras, but offers one of the best electronic viewfinders available. 

We've been impressed with what the GX8 has to offer, with some of the best image quality possible from a Panasonic camera, with competitive noise performance and an abundance of features including 4K video / photo modes, improved 4-axis sensor shift image stabilisation, built in Wi-Fi, NFC, and fast continuous shooting. The camera feels good to hold, with a solid body and good external controls. The weather-sealing along with the large high resolution electronic viewfinder makes it a joy to use the camera, and the Panasonic Lumix GX8 would make an excellent upgrade path for anyone with an earlier Panasonic Lumix camera.

The Panasonic Lumix GX8 offers a vast array of features including a 20 megapixel Micro Four Thirds sensor and built in image stabilisation.

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Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Specifications

Manufacturer
Panasonic
Image Sensor
Pixels
20.3Mp (Megapixels)
Pixels (W)
5184
Pixels (H)
3888
Sensor Type
Live MOS Sensor
Sensor Size
Micro Four Thirds
Sensor Size (width)
17.3mm
Sensor Size (height)
13mm
Aspect Ratio
4:3
3:2
16:9
1:1
LCD Monitor
LCD Monitor
3in
Screen resolution
1040k dot
Touch Screen
Yes
Focusing
Focusing modes
Autofocus
Manual
Spot
Face Detection
AF Tracking
Multi
Centre
Touch AF
Exposure Control
Shutter speeds shortest
1/16000sec
Shutter speeds longest
60sec
Bulb mode
Yes
Exp modes
Program
Aperture-Priority
Shutter-Priority
Manual
Scene modes
Program Variable
Metering
Centre-weighted - Average
Multi Pattern
Spot
ISO sensitivity
100 - 25600
White balance
Auto
Manual
Outdoors/Daylight
Cloudy
Incandescent
Shade
Flash
Exposure Comp
+/-3
Viewfinder
Viewfinder Resolution
2360k dot
Magnification
0.77x
Shooting Options
Continuous shooting
8fps
Video
Movie mode
Yes
Video Resolution
1920x1080 FullHD
4K
Video FPS
60, 50p FullHD, 25, 24p UHD
Stereo Sound
Yes
Optical Zoom with Video
Yes
Other Features
Image Stabilisation
Yes
Interface
HDMI
Yes
USB
USB 2
Wi-Fi
Yes
Storage
Card Type
SD
SDHC
SDXC
File Type
RAW
JPG
RAW + JPG
Power Source
Battery Type
Lithium-Ion
Battery Life (CIPA rating)
340shots
Box Contents
Box Contents
DMC-GX8A Kit / Hot Shoe Cover, Body Cap, Battery Pack, Battery Charger, USB Connection Cable, Shoulder Strap, DVD, AC Cable*, Lens Hood, Lens Cap, Lens Rear Cap
Dimensions
Weight
487g
Width
133.2mm
Height
77.9mm
Depth
63.1mm

Panasonic Lumix GX8 Verdict

Features
Handling
Performance
Value for money
Verdict
Pros
  • Highest resolution Micro Four Thirds camera available
  • Improved image stabilisation system
  • Extremely large electronic viewfinder (EVF)
  • Extremely fast focus
  • Weather-sealed body
  • Vari-angle touch-screen
  • 4K video / photo modes
  • Improved noise performance
  • Wi-Fi / NFC built-in
Cons
  • Noticeably larger than competitors, and previous version
  • Loud shutter (compared to Olympus M43 cameras)
  • Fn (function) buttons are unlabelled
  • Sensor shift image stabilisation isn't available in 4K video mode

Comments

Andy_Curtis
Andy_Curtis
9 811
Jul 16, 2015 9:28am
This will be mine! OMD, gx7 and XPro 1 all rolled into one. (Well, the bits I like from those 3)
mikehit
14 8.0k
Jul 23, 2015 3:53pm
Are you sure those IS figures are correct? Quote:IS Off completely (GX7*) - slowest shutter speed - 1/25s most shots sharp. Lens based IS (GX7*) - slowest shutter speed - 1/20s The lens IS gives an improvement from 1/25 to 1/20 sec? Quote:Sensor only (GX8) - slowest shutter speed 1/20s most sharp Sensor and lens combo (GX8) - slowest shutter speed - 1/15s The sensor-only in GX8 is about the same as lens IS on the GX7 But combining them in the much-vaunted Dual IS (lens+ sensor) improves it to a mind-boggling 1/15 Neither of those sets of figures are very impressive over no IS at all.
joshwa
joshwa
13 927
Jul 23, 2015 4:05pm
Hi Mike, the ability to handhold a camera steady will vary from user to user, lens used and subject photographed. I took the photos using the same lens and subject and hand holding position. Albeit the testing wasn't particularly scientific (ie, I didn't use a robotic camera shaking system and remote triggering), but shows that there is a slight improvement from the image stabilisation system in the GX8. Although it doesn't quite match the system in the E-M5 Mark II, which is known to be one of the best (perhaps even the best) IS systems around.
mikehit
14 8.0k
Jul 23, 2015 5:08pm
Thanks, Joshwa It was the 'no IS at all' bit that makes it all look a bit off. If someone less stable (such as myself!) gets their mitts on it, I guess the whole set of numbers may well show a greater spread between the different situations. But comparing the 2-axis IBIS in the GX7 with the 4-axis IBIS in the GX8 (and both of them with the E-M5) the development that seems to be touted for the IBIS in the GX8 seems to be rather disappointing and has a fair way to go for usability with non-stabilised lenses.
dannyr
dannyr
14 49
Jul 24, 2015 12:33pm
It looks like a very good upgrade from my GX7 (when it drops in price!). Can I ask, its mentioned the shutter is louder, but does it have a nicer shutter sound than the shutter on the GX7? I always hated the shutter sound on the GX7 it sounded like somebody slapping a wet fish!
joshwa
joshwa
13 927
Jul 24, 2015 1:12pm
There is a video of the shutter here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pw6SxAfxk Last modified by joshwa on 24 Jul 2015 1:13PM
dannyr
dannyr
14 49
Jul 24, 2015 1:51pm
Cheers Josh, ill check that out.
obsolescence
obsolescence
9
Jul 24, 2015 5:51pm
I see a lack of critical sharpness in the samples. The 'loud' shutter might be suspect. It looks to me like vertical shake, or maybe it's a mediocre lens. I would love to download RAW files shot with the 42.5mm Nocticron lens with the GX8 on a tripod, to see just how good this baby is, but for now these pics do not rival what I've seen from Olympus's top cams.
BostonC
8
Jul 24, 2015 5:57pm
To the reviewer(Josh?): Two questions: 1. Is the test lens's firmware updated to work with the new Dual I.S.? As far as I know, the new lens firmware hasn't been released. The latest available (to public) is version 1.2 dated May 2015. Could you pls check the version you use? Also what's your camera's firmware version, production or early release? 2. When you compare the images details for ISO3200, you said EM5 II retains more details. Could you pls comment on your methodology? Compare OOC JPEG, or using RAW? If using RAW, what converter(s)? TIA
Chris_L
Chris_L
10 5.5k
Jul 25, 2015 1:49am
In pros and cons review says a con is that there is no sensor shift IS in video mode but earlier it says "The Dual Image Stabilisation system is a 4-axis in-body sensor shift system, which works in conjunction with the optical image stabilisation in Panasonic lenses, which feature a 2-axis system. In video mode, the camera uses a Hybrid image stabilisation system to give 5-axis image stabilisation. The dual image stabilisation system is said to give comparable image stabilisation performance to Olympus' 5-axis image stabilisation system found in the Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II" If I buy this and I use it in video mode with a non-IS lens, with an Olympus lens or with a Panasonic lens with OIS when do I get stabilization and when don't I? I can't work it out. Also the specs say framerates of 24 and 25 in video. What about 50 (as in my GX7), your YouTube video seems to be shot at 50?
Kawika
10 7
Jul 25, 2015 4:52am
Thank you for a very useful and comprehensive review, especially for buffer depth figures (all too often ignored by other camera review sites). As a happy GX7 user, I look forward to seeing results of IQ with the new 20MP sensor. And of course 4K video with 8MP frames is a bonus. Chris' question about IS is a good one; my understanding is the with a non-IS lens you will still get IBIS, but not 5-axis. Also, as I understand it, with Panny "Mega-OIS" lenses (such as the 100-300mm), you won't get the combined effects of IBIS and lens IS, although you will get the lens IS (which I have found to be very good). For the full IS combination, you need Panny "Power OIS" lenses.
joshwa
joshwa
13 927
Jul 28, 2015 8:13am
Hi Chris_L Review updated to clarify that the Hybrid IS works for FullHD video, but not 4K video. Specs also updated to show that 60/50p is available for FullHD video, and 25/24p for 4K video. Thanks J
joshwa
joshwa
13 927
Jul 28, 2015 8:15am
Quote:To the reviewer(Josh?): Two questions: 1. Is the test lens's firmware updated to work with the new Dual I.S.? As far as I know, the new lens firmware hasn't been released. The latest available (to public) is version 1.2 dated May 2015. Could you pls check the version you use? Also what's your camera's firmware version, production or early release? 2. When you compare the images details for ISO3200, you said EM5 II retains more details. Could you pls comment on your methodology? Compare OOC JPEG, or using RAW? If using RAW, what converter(s)? TIA Camera firmware 1.0. The lens firmware version was 1.3. Comparing JPEG OOC images. Last modified by joshwa on 28 Jul 2015 8:15AM
Kawika
10 7
Jul 29, 2015 3:39am
Question for the reviewer: The GX7 has a great sensor crop feature that creates a greater zoom. Does the GX8 have this? GX7 Video teleconverter; 1920x1080 crop from the middle; ~2.4x magnification with no loss in quality. GH4 has same feature (but not in 4K mode). Stills with ETC are 2x @4mp (“S”@4:3). (Information found in GX7 Manual, p. 211)
joshwa
joshwa
13 927
Jul 29, 2015 8:12am
Hi Kawika, yes it does have the same feature, thanks Josh
FoToEdge
FoToEdge
12
Jul 29, 2015 1:30pm
I've had the GX7 for almost 2 years. I will skip this upgrade and may go back to Olympus. I am not happy with the "Look" of the Panasonic files. The colors just do not appeal to me in JPEG. The RAW can be processed to a decent level. My old EM-5 just seemed to pull more depth and richness out of the scene. Olympus has a different way of presenting the finished JPEG. The menu on the Panasonic is why I switched in the first place. But for picture quality, the Olympus seems to suite my tastes better.
Kawika
10 7
Jul 29, 2015 3:43pm
Much as I like my GX7 (I passed on the EM1 due to mediocre video) I have to say that FoToEdge has a point. It is disconcerting to see that Panny lenses score much higher with DxOMark when used on Oly cameras. (For example, see the DxOMark review of the Lumix G VARIO 14-140mm /F3.5-5.6 ASPH.) Score with Olympus OM-D E-M1: 13 Score with GX7: 10 I'm going to wait until DxOMark has tested with the GX8. I know that their tests are not the only measure of a camera, and that there are significant variations amongst individual units, but the tests do provide some indication. (That said, I once went through 2 very poor Pentax 55-300mm lenses before finally, on the third try, getting a very good one. The difference was night and day. And I've had similar experiences with cameras. Every one is a bit different, even though they are the same make and model.)
FoToEdge
FoToEdge
12
Jul 29, 2015 4:02pm
As Kawika mentions, it won't hurt to wait. Even if interested, the price is out of this world. There are other quality choices with Fuji, Sony and Olympus. As an early purchaser of the GX7 I feel the camera was not given much of a chance before Panasonic slashed the price dramatically and hurt all the initial purchasers. I do not feel that they try in our Kansas City Marketplace. There are no dealers selling their products. Also, I have spoke to Fuji and Olympus service departments on the phone myself and I received respect and attention. I have never been able to connect with a real human at Panasonic. Fuji and Olympus know photography and I am starting to feel just more comfortable with either of these companies and their products. Panasonic may still be inwardly viewing their cameras as just appliances. Time and Reviews will sort this all out. Keep your Credit Card in the wallet and investigate and then decide for yourselves, in the meantime the price will drop in 1 or 2 months.
Kawika
10 7
Jul 29, 2015 10:06pm
At the risk of straying a bit off topic (evaluation of the GX8 and its feature set), Amen to FoToEdge's comment about price. When the GX7 came out I loved the spec sheet but simply couldn't justify paying that much for an MFT (even though, as a GH3 owner, I had all the MFT lenses I needed and was very fond of the GH3). Waited a year, pretty much forgot about the GX7, and then it came back on my radar and I bought it for under $700. I'm hoping that the GX8 will (1) live up to its promise and (2) be offered at a very reduce price sometime next year. Meanwhile, I can use the GX7.
BostonC
8
Jul 30, 2015 7:00pm
Quote:To the reviewer(Josh?): Two questions: 1. Is the test lens's firmware updated to work with the new Dual I.S.? As far as I know, the new lens firmware hasn't been released. The latest available (to public) is version 1.2 dated May 2015. Could you pls check the version you use? Also what's your camera's firmware version, production or early release? 2. When you compare the images details for ISO3200, you said EM5 II retains more details. Could you pls comment on your methodology? Compare OOC JPEG, or using RAW? If using RAW, what converter(s)? TIA Camera firmware 1.0. The lens firmware version was 1.3. Comparing JPEG OOC images. -- Josh: Thx for the details! The ver 1.3 has not been released to the public, so its existence is new. Now knowing the result was done using the latest lens' firmware tailored to the Dual I.S. but not seeing much advantage, I'm not too thrilled. Panasonic needs to go to the floating sensor route in order to have better stabilization capability.
Chris_L
Chris_L
10 5.5k
Aug 5, 2015 2:21pm
I just sussed something out about this. Looks to me that they use sensor shift and OIS for stills. But for video the IBIS is electronic stabilization, which means it is done in software, scrolling the image left, right, up or down to compensate for shake. You can only do this at 1080 though because when 4k shooting you won't have enough pixels. It can't use decoupled sensor during video due to heat. OIS should still be feasible. It does mean there may be more of a crop in some video modes, not certain on that.
Montymouse
Montymouse
9
Aug 8, 2015 8:21pm
Quote:Much as I like my GX7 (I passed on the EM1 due to mediocre video) I have to say that FoToEdge has a point. It is disconcerting to see that Panny lenses score much higher with DxOMark when used on Oly cameras. (For example, see the DxOMark review of the Lumix G VARIO 14-140mm /F3.5-5.6 ASPH.) Score with Olympus OM-D E-M1: 13 Score with GX7: 10 I'm going to wait until DxOMark has tested with the GX8. You see I am a little sceptical, these tests carried out were done at a time everybody thought the E-M1 contained a Sony sensor. When chipsure took it apart, they found out it was a Panasonic. I am struggling to understand how these marks can be so different. Tony Northrup advises DxO place too much emphasis on colour. Either way, both these scores are poor, and whilst I suppose it is handy to have a benchmark, for all practical purposes, we are in the realms of nitpickery. The choice between Panasonic and Olympus is about whether you do video and or whether your nerves can handle the frustration of operating the Olympus machines, last only to Fuji's.
Kawika
10 7
Aug 8, 2015 9:16pm
Montymouse says: "Either way, both these scores are poor" Actually, for the category of long zoom they are average or better. The typical 55-300mm long zoom for APS-C usually scores 11 or 12, and can go into single digits with certain cameras. That seems to be the price paid for long reach and flexilibity. That said, I can hardly wait to see the 20MP GX8 coupled with the recently announced Panny 100-400mm OIS zoom lens. Whether stills or video (or 8MP frame grabs from 4K video) this should be an amazing kit for outdoor sports, wildlife, birding, etc.
Montymouse
Montymouse
9
Aug 19, 2015 6:17pm
Does it really drop that low, the overall score for the 35-100mm is 19. Don't get me wrong, the 14-140mm is my favourite long zoom lens, my point is, why the difference between using it on the EM1 and the GX8, because I can't see any perceivable difference between images taken on the EM1 and the GX7 or my new G7, which I would say was even better. Everybody on the forums picked on me for saying this, constantly supporting their criticisms with the fact that it was obviously going to better given it's superior Sony sensor, so I ask now, given the sensor turns out to be a Panasonic... what now? Is DxO more subjective than we think?
Kawika
10 7
Aug 19, 2015 7:33pm
All I can say is, go to DxOMark and see for yourself. Possible factors: 1. 55-300mm (nearly 6x) is a much greater focal length difference that 35-100mm (less than 3x). Typically there is a severe IQ penalty for greatly increased focal length difference, especially at or near a given price point. 2. 300mm is much greater than 100mm. Typically there is a severe IQ penalty for greatly increased focal length, especially at or near a given price point.
Montymouse
Montymouse
9
Aug 20, 2015 4:36am
The 300mm is known to be poor, I have reviewed the images and they are noticeably soft. But I am talking about the 14-140mm, this is a sharp high quality lens, if a bit slow. I have stopped looking at DxO scores along time ago because they add no value to my decision making, the charts on this site are far more informative along with the reviews. This doesnt answer my question regarding the improved scores on the EM1 wich i speculate is subjective.
Kawika
10 7
Aug 20, 2015 6:35am
I was answering this question: "Does it really drop that low, the overall score for the 35-100mm is 19." Your point about DxOMark is well taken, since especially with consumer-grade lenses there can be a huge variation from one copy to the next.
FoToEdge
FoToEdge
12
Sep 27, 2015 3:20pm
Stabilization works best at higher shutter speeds for coffee drinkers like me. Try shooting everything in Shutter Priority for a change and keep that speed up above 1/250 and let the Auto ISO fly up to 3200 if needed. Grain is better looking than any blur from camera or lens movement with any camera.